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Both "Keeper of the Emerald Flame" and "Black Moonlight" can be summarized as "Thongor and crew go into a dangerous ruined X in search of fabled treasure Y, but are being slowly pic The stories have more of a Robert E Howard feel than Edgar Rice Burroughs, but this also means that the features making Carter's Lemuria different--the weird science amalgamated with wizardry--have been downplayed or eliminated. Both "Keeper of the Emerald Flame" and "Black Moonlight" can be summarized as "Thongor and crew go into a dangerous ruined X in search of fabled treasure Y, but are being slowly picked off by mystic guardian Z.

Thongor goes off by himself, stupidly, into extreme peril and stumble into the solution. Thongor stumbles into the secret, deathless city of Ithomaar the Eternal, ruled over by the mad Zazamanc the Veiled Enchanter. The poor inhabitants do not even have the escape of death from the cruel, decadent warping of their ruler.

Thongor lived in the world of Lemuria, a forgotten prehistoric age of strange beasts, black magic, and glimpses of lost super-science. This collection of stories forms a sort of "prequel" to the Thongor who appears in earlier books - hence, "young" Thongor. These stories have a much less ambiguous fantasy feel, with far less of the science fiction elements the original stories hinted at. Great Appendix N inspiration! Jul 10, James Troxell rated it really liked it. Lin Carter is a very hit or miss author. The first Thongor is fantastic. The rest of the series varies from mediocre to decent but never reaches the height of the first.

I think a lot of these stories do. Jun 11, Daniel rated it really liked it.

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This is an entry type set of short stories about Thongor of Lemuria, one of Lin Carter's many heroic subjects. Written in the style and with flavor from Robert E. Howard, and L. Sprague DeCamp, who was Carter's mentor, these short stories were compiled later, but we're not actually published for years. This is good old sword and Sorcery and it is just something that satchel the itch of pulp readers such as myself. It's just good writing, folks and it's short, usually read within one sitting. Ver This is an entry type set of short stories about Thongor of Lemuria, one of Lin Carter's many heroic subjects.

Very good experience, and ones I will always remember. Give the Thongor books a try. You never know, they might grow on you too! Jan 16, Fletcher Vredenburgh rated it liked it. Surprisingly enjoyable, especially given the crappiness of the novels. Thongor really doesn't develop much character but it's a good ride.

Sep 28, Antonio rated it liked it. In this book some stories are better than others, but overall I liked it. Jon Nelson rated it it was ok Jul 28, Darin rated it liked it Jul 26, David rated it really liked it Mar 23, Oswell Telford rated it really liked it Mar 15, Steven Patrick Forrester rated it it was amazing Sep 22, Chris Harper rated it it was ok May 07, Sue rated it it was amazing Oct 05, Robert Merritt rated it really liked it May 01, Michael rated it really liked it Jun 30, Glennoneill Kane rated it liked it Dec 16, Gabriel Laycock rated it really liked it Jan 04, Kristofer Hamrick rated it really liked it Sep 23, Alex Mctesterino rated it liked it Jun 27, Xavier Zhapan rated it liked it Nov 26, Matthew rated it really liked it Oct 30, Ben Crawford rated it it was amazing Aug 22, Giovanni rated it really liked it Jan 03, Carlos rated it liked it Jan 18, Brett T.

The mouth was too narrow for the beast to enter, but Thongor was trapped. Tasting salt water dripping from the ceiling, Thongor realized the cave was a tunnel that ran beneath the inland sea.

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Racing through the cavern at a breakneck pace when Thongor reached the surface he was upon one of the Dragon Isles. Spying the Castle of the Dragon Kings on the neighboring island Thongor swam to its dismal shores. Attracted by an ice blue glow in the waters at the castle's edge, Thongor discovered the Starsword and knew evil had befallen the others. Now armed with the sacred weapon of the ancients, Thongor crept into the forbidding castle. Fully a score or more of the Dragon Kings still lived.

Even Sharajsha had not suspected so great a number. They bound the three captives to the Altar of Monoliths, preparing to bring the Lords of Chaos suddenly plural for some reason into the world of men once more. Sssaaa the High Priest held aloft a triple bladed sword and cried out the unholy name of a Lord of Chaos, "Iao Thamungazoth! Sharajsha was quickly freed so he could employ his spells, and then followed the slaughter of the evil Dragon Kings.

Finally, even Father Gorm, the god of Thongor's people, popped in for a piece of the action, blasting the Dragon Kings' castle into dust. The heroes were happily reunited, and they hied away to the Nemedis. But many were also his enemies. Zandar Zan's mission succeeded only in part. He managed to kidnap Sumia, but was pursued by Thongor in a long flight to the Eastern, unknown plains of Nianga.

There, their ways split.

Sumia escaped and met Shangoth, a Rmohal, one of the giant, blue nomads, while Thongor met Jomdath, Shangoth's father and exiled king of the Jegga clan. The kidnapping and Sharajsha's suggestions led Karm Karvus, Ald Thurmis and Thongor's army to move with their floating fleet against Tsargol. Tengri, the Jegga sorcerer who had seized power at the detriment of Jomdath, managed to capture Thongor and the old chief. In the same moments, in a southern area, Sumia and Shangoth were abducted by Adamancus' sorcerous power. In his castle, they learnt about his belonging to Zaar, the black city, and about his worshipping the Gods of Chaos.

Sumia also understood that Thalaba the Destroyer was one of the nine lords of Zaar, and his machinations had led the Yellow Druids to the war against Patanga and to her father's death. Jomdath and Thongor were unwittingly helped by Zandar Zan's apparition in the skies of the dead city of Althaar. Jomdath reclaimed his ruling power, and Sharajsha aided Thongor in reaching Adamancus' castle and freeing his love. An alliance was clenched between the blue nomads and Patanga, so the giant blue warriors were a great help in the short war against Tsargol.

Thongor: Against the Gods - In the days after, Thongor extirpated the cult of Slidith the Red from all the Tsargol region and claimed his companion, Karm Karvus, Sark of the people of the coast. And the Three Cities became Four. And the Gods were pleased Comments: Created by Lin Carter. According to the letter column of Creatures on the Loose 27, "Thongor's adventures The rest of the world - apparently at any rate - was still in the Pleistocene period and inhabited by Cro-Magnon and Neanderthal man.

They gave this as the reason for why there would be no crossovers with Conan or King Kull, but then go on to make a big deal over that "apparently" they slipped in there. Without giving away too much of what we have in mind Any ideas, people? What other Pre-Cataclysmic civilizations were active around that time period in Marvel Comics? The Savage Land? This society developed into an age comparable to that of the Roman empire, many hundreds of thousands of years before the rest of the world.

Olshevsky in his Marvel Team-Up Index stated that he was not sure where the Age of Wizards fell with relation to the visit of the Celestials, but he presumed that it happened thousands of years before the time of King Kull. The mentioning of Hyperborea as existent before Lemuria also further muddies the waters. If the Hyborian Era runs from roughly 17, B. It would likely be safest to just say Thongor's adventures occurred outside the normal Marvel Universe Earth , but with the true love of the obscurantist fanboy I can't help but want to fit it in somewhere.

It could be that while the rest of the world was populated by Cro-Mags and Neanderthals, the progenitors of the Lemurians, Phondrath and Evalla, represented highly evolved creations of the Nineteen Gods' that were later absorbed into mainline humanity which the Celestials had allowed to evolve normally. Not much was revealed about Nincenno in that Conan story, but I guess it is possible it predated the Thurian Age. Bal-Sogoth was mentioned in Conan the Barbarian I Presumably, Marvel was attempting to cash in on the popularity of other sword and sorcery successes such worthies as Conan the Barbarian and King Kull when they threw Thongor into the fray.

Overall his brief appearance in the comics arena is a mixed bag. Roy Thomas had his hand on the wheel as editor and I can imagine he was only too glad to have another of the savage heroes he loved so well come to life in the pages of comics. Indeed, while not being unoriginal or a blatant clone, even the art reflects an attempt to recapture the lightning in a bottle that was the debut of Conan the Barbarian.

If memory serves this one was one Val Mayerik's first gigs in comics. Can anyone corroborate or deny? For one reason or another Thongor must not have caught on, for while we still see Conan comics getting made to this day, Thongor has disappeared into the mists of obscurity. Maybe it was his looks - - Thongor was drawn a bit more brutish looking than Conan, and yet, perhaps he still looked a bit TOO similar. In fact, they must have looked SO similar that somewhere along the line someone screwed up and had Thongor calling on Conan's god Crom instead of his own Father Gorm - - three separate times!

Maybe that was behind the sudden and unexplained change in hair color from black to red in CotL I've provided images of both so I leave it for you to decide. In his first appearance, I thought he looked rather like certain depictions of Brule the Spear-slayer. Perhaps the initial fluctuations in the creative team as the character tried to find his feet in the world of comics was what bogged him down.

Gardner F. A letter column mentions Effington's departure to pursue other projects in the field of science-fiction. Creatures on the Loose was an adequate and entertaining introduction to the Thongor character, even if both the writing and the art were a little stiff in comparison to Conan's earlier debut. But later with the adaptation of Thongor and the Wizard of Lemuria, the first extended story for the character, every time it started to build up steam, there was some sort of grinding gearshift making it to lose momentum.

Even the dreaded Dragon Kings didn't look quite as menacing as one thought they should. The best picture of the infrequently seen main villains of the story is on the cover of the last installment in CotL The comics are by no means terrible, and I consider them a damn sight better than over half of the stuff getting made today, warts and all. Any fan of Conan, Lin Carter's work, or just the sword and sorcery genre in general should check them out.

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Most likely you'll be able to snap them up for cheap. Depending on where you stand in the spectrum of Conan, Robert E, Howard, Lin Carter, and general sword and sorcery fandom, you either love his stuff, think he's a hack, have only seen his work on Conan, or have never heard of him at all. For my own part, I have always enjoyed Lin Carter's work and felt he made some worthy additions to the Conan canon, but have only a vague understanding of him as a solo act.

I have read a whopping three of his original novels, two in the Callisto series which always struck me as borrowing heavily from John Carter of Mars by ERB. With that in mind, perhaps I am not entirely qualified to comment on Thongor as a whole, but from his comic book adventures alone he strikes me as living very much in the shadow of Howard's Conan.

Both youthful barbarian warriors making their way as thieves and mercenaries in the soft and civilized south, both fighting wizards and demonic pre-human monsters, both destined to become kings, both living in Prehistoric ages now forgotten by mankind. Thongor is Conan for Conan fans who have run out of Conan stuff to read. Sprague De Camp. This isn't a bad thing, but it does make it harder for him to stand out on his own as a fantasy great, which he undoubtedly was.

It seems to be some blasphemous and inalterable cosmic law that every H. Lovecraft must have his August Derleth and, yes, e'en every Robert E. Howard must have his L. Sprague DeCamp and Lin Carter. I was recently surprised to learn that one of the first Conan tales I had ever read, one of my favorite non-Howard Conan tales, and just plain one of my favorite Conan stories, The Thing in the Crypt by Lin Carter was in fact originally intended to be a Thongor story.

Who knows what Thongor might have been if Carter had directed more of his creative juices towards his own creation rather than Howard's? That is a question I often find myself asking as I reread Thongor's adventures in Creatures on the Loose - - "What might have been? Two of these stories were adapted in the pages of Creatures on the Loose They featured adventures in Lemuria, and there is some debate whether these occurred on Earth, primarily because of how advanced the technology was in those stories.

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If these adventures did take place on Earth, then they would probably shortly before BC and the first Great Cataclysm which razed the civilizations of the world and plunged them back into barbarism. At that point in time, the Atlanteans had reached a pinnacle of technology which in some ways is still superior to that of the modern era.

In Conan of the Isles, he encounters Orichalum, a metal used by the Atlanteans in their flying ships--similar to the metal Urlium of the flying ship seen in Thongor's story.

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Lemuria was at least partially controlled by the Deviants, who created advanced technology who may have been occasionally usurped by the humans. Still, there's been no mention of Thongor or any of his characters in any other series definitively linked to Earth Alternatively, the Dragon Kings and the Slorgs might have been alternate dimensional counterparts of the Serpent Men and the Man Serpents.

However, like Greg, I would definitely love to keep Thongor on good ole Earth The Marvel Comics Index to Conan and the Barbarians claims that Thongor was active in Lemuria one million years ago, while the letter page of Creatures on the Loose 27 mentioned him as being active one half million years ago. I guess there's nothing to rule that out, but it does seem a bit excessive. I'd lean towards my chronological estimation, but perhaps that's because I'm me. Per Degaton: In his Sub-Mariner Index, Olshevsky also stated that Thongor took place on Earth well, he did not use that term, which had yet to be coined.

Little of this titanic conflict is known with certainty, and only a few Marvel stories most notably the Thongor of Lemuria series inCreatures On the Loose are set in that remote time. We can infer that humanity won its war, for Serpent Men are rare if not entirelynonexistent today. He did this in a novel called The Black Star which is still in print. Some broken and dead cities still lied in the south: Althaar and Quar.

The language spoken was almost the same, also between far regions. The human race was too recently created from the 19 Gods' will in order to have big differences between the different languages. The blue nomads would have disappeared millions of year before the written history. Some Slorgs, the Terrors of the Sands, still lived and lurked in the depth of the dead cities of the south, craving for human flesh. Thog the netherspawn, a demon lord, Adventure Into Fear 11Thog the Ancient of the Hyborian Era, of the Old Ones, Savage Sword of Conan 20Thoth-Amon, the Stygian wizard, Conan the Barbarian 7Sharajsha of Zaar was a powerful Lemurian sorcerer capable of firing bolts of mystic energy, creating shrouds of impenetrable darkness, casting realistic illusions, levitating objects, and scrying the future in his mystic mirror.

He also used a harmless looking power to knock out a Tyrannosaurus Rex though they called 'em Dwarks back in those days. However, Sharajsha suffered from a common enough malady in comics: Wonder Woman Syndrome, wherein he was effectively powerless when his hands were bound, unable to cast his spells. He had a groovy hideout in the foothills of the Mountains of Mommur near Chush. Thongor's guide and mentor, it was he who repaired the flying ship, and bathed the Star Stone in the Eternal Fire to recreate the Starsword.

Karm Karvus was a prince of Tsargol and would have been rightful Sark of that city if not for the evil Drugunda Thal and his chief druid Yelim Pelorvis. A captain of the royal guard, he was thrown into the dungeons after Thongor escaped capture and threatened Drugunda, but the real reason was the evil Sark of Thargol had long hated Karm Karvus's family and seized the opportunity to be rid of his young rival.

Fighting side-by-side with Thongor in the arena, the two of them rescued the girl Kora and escaped in the Nemedis. From then on he assisted Thongor and Sharajsha in defeating the Dragon Kings, often piloting the Nemedis. Sarkaja Sumia seemed attracted to him even though he was sort of bat-like and ghoulish looking.

Vaspas Ptol attempted to force Sumia to marry him three seperate times in order to consolidate his rule even to the point of physically coercing her, but Sumia remained steadfast. She met Thongor and Sharajsha in her own dungeons where they were prisoners awaiting sacrifice.

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Escaping with them in the Nemedis and nothing left for her in Patanga, Sumia decides to accompany them to fight the Dragon Kings. Weeks before the evil priest Kaman Thuu hired Thongor, Ald had been hired to sneak into the wizard Athmar Phong's mansion and steal the Mirror of Zaffar only to get captured by the Demon of Zangabal and tossed into the dungeons. Forgotten and left for dead, Kaman Thuu hired Thongor to do the job, but he also wound up in the dungeons.

Thongor escaped and Ald went with him, the barbarian later saving his life by killing Athmar Phong.

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Eight months later Ald repaid the favor by springing Thongor from the dungeons of Thurdis after being arrested for murder of a captain in the army. Drugunda was ruler of Tsargol and likely an usurper to the throne. Yelim Pelorvis wasted no time in declaring himself the new Sark of Tsargol before Drugunda's body was even cold after Thongor killed him with a hurled sword.

The people of Tsargol, including the somewhat more human-looking Karm Karvus, all have a ghoulish appearance. I'd hate to see what their women look like. However, judging from his general level of creepiness and the fact that the mirror contained the essence of a Prince of Hell, his motives can't have been honorable. He presented Thongor with the Shield of Cathloda, a protective mystical charm, which he ultimately and contrary to Thuu's wishes used to destroy the mirror.

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